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lorph · Jun 17, 2008, 11:41 PM // 23:41

RIP ectoes. I just bought some for 3.9k each. I wouldn't be surprised if they went down to 3k each.

Nightow · Jun 17, 2008, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by lorph

RIP ectoes. I just bought some for 3.9k each. I wouldn't be surprised if they went down to 3k each.

lol, "ectoes" but seriously, I don't think they can go that low since the NPC traders themselves have a minimum price on them. Right?

lorph · Jun 17, 2008, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by Nightow

lol, "ectoes" but seriously, I don't think they can go that low since the NPC traders themselves have a minimum price on them. Right?

Only arena net knows, but alot of people thought the price couldn't get lower than 4.8k, and now we see 4.5k half the time.

The ecto market is dead. Sales that usually go through with ectoes have dropped considerably.

There used to be 10x the amount of people selling everlasting tonics. Now they are all afraid to sell because ectoes are dropping like rocks. I bought an everlasting auto tonic for 120 ecto last week, and now people are asking for 140+ after double rp weekend.

I expect trades of high end items to slow down considerably until the price of either ectos or zkeys stabilize.

Chthon · Jun 18, 2008, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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Originally Posted by Ate of DK

A few people mentioned this before and also in other threads.

The number of ecto's that drop does not have an immediate effect on the ecto value of the merchant. Only when people BUY or SELL at the merchant it can change the ecto value. Trading ecto's for high end weapons or zaishen keys doesn't.

This is largely wrong. If the value of ectos in player-to-player transactions floats too far away from the value in player-to-NPC transactions, someone's going to jump in and arbitrage the situation until the NPC price moves and the gap shrinks smaller than the NPC's built-in price spread.

And GW definitely has its arbitrageurs. They closed the gap on D.Steel prices in less than 36 hours after the D.Weapons were released. Someone's clearly watching the material markets and exploiting and expending every opportunity for profit pretty quickly.

Thus, since player-to-player transactions affect the player-to-player ecto price, and the player-to-player ecto price affects the NPC ecto price through arbitrage, player-to-player transactions do affect the NPC price.

ricocheting · Jun 18, 2008, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by Nightow

I don't think they can go that low since the NPC traders themselves have a minimum price on them. Right?

i would bet the minimum is 250g for the traders.

however, personal rough estimate on effort vs reward, i expect it to eventually bottom out at about 2k each unless something is changed on permasin build or chaos plains difficulty.

Thizzle · Jun 18, 2008, 01:50 AM // 01:50

Ectos at 5k are definitely reasonable, I remember them being around that even before Ursan. I'm glad because 11k is just ridiculous. Shards at 1-2k are a good stable price as well.

DonCorleoneCS · Jun 18, 2008, 03:06 AM // 03:06

It's a big joke that anet is making the game easier for people who are bad it....

Honestly if you needed a perma sin to farm UW then you shouldn't be down there to begin with. Rather than destroying the economy with super PvE skill updates why don't you just make an AI update for elite areas and solve the problem. There's such a simple theory behind solving the Guild Wars economy but for some reason Anet would much rather make a 12 year old without a brain happy as opposed to those who have been here for 3 years playing.

I'm sorry but like many other people I got FoW armor long ago when the prices on ectos were 10k+ and titles when they actually meant something. Joke about that all you want but it's true. Legendary vanquisher was impressive if you had it only a month or so after HM came out.

Fix shadow form, update AI to get rid of over farming and bring life back to the game.

RAGE

Thizzle · Jun 18, 2008, 03:09 AM // 03:09

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Originally Posted by DonCorleoneCS

It's a big joke that anet is making the game easier for people who are bad it....

Honestly if you needed a perma sin to farm UW then you shouldn't be down there to begin with. Rather than destroying the economy with super PvE skill updates why don't you just make an AI update for elite areas and solve the problem. There's such a simple theory behind solving the Guild Wars economy but for some reason Anet would much rather make a 12 year old without a brain happy as opposed to those who have been here for 3 years playing.

I'm sorry but like many other people I got FoW armor long ago when the prices on ectos were 10k+ and titles when they actually meant something. Joke about that all you want but it's true. Legendary vanquisher was impressive if you had it only a month or so after HM came out.

Fix shadow form, update AI to get rid of over farming and bring life back to the game.

RAGE

I think there's a huge confusion between "making the game easier for people who are bad it" and making a game less time consuming for people who don't want to spent countless hours getting the necessary materials for armor. There was solo farming before Shadow form!

DonCorleoneCS · Jun 18, 2008, 03:14 AM // 03:14

It took me a good 4 months to save up for my armor well over a year and a half ago....it was an accomplishment that I was proud of. It's lost its prestige.

Thizzle · Jun 18, 2008, 03:16 AM // 03:16

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Originally Posted by DonCorleoneCS

It took me a good 4 months to save up for my armor well over a year and a half ago....it was an accomplishment that I was proud of. It's lost its prestige.

There was never a reward for taking however long it took to farm armor. There's a personal reward and feel of accomplishment possibly, but that's it. People will never look at you and say "Wow, he must be good at the game", they might say "Wow, he spent a lot of time farming".

DonCorleoneCS · Jun 18, 2008, 03:18 AM // 03:18

I never claimed it was skill to have the armor...I'm saying that it took skill to figure out ways to make the money and get the materials for it. There's a big difference. And yes at one point if you had obsidian armor people did look at you differently.

There was a lot more to getting the armor then farming. Then again you signed up for guru April 2008 so you've lost all credibility with me.

Lord Sojar · Jun 18, 2008, 03:20 AM // 03:20

Ectos and shards have price floors. There is some form of basic economy within Guild Wars. So, they prices are going to go up and down. Ectos and shards are not going to suddenly skyrocket or drop through the floor because of minor changes in the economy. If ectos started dropping from Charr in post searing Ascalon in NM, then yes, ectos would drop in price. Until that day, they will fluctuate here and there, but they are not going to go up or down by more than 1.5-2k ea. Freak out threads are either completely thoughtless or scare tactics in order to sell off/buy up your own supply. This is so silly.

Thizzle · Jun 18, 2008, 03:27 AM // 03:27

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Originally Posted by DonCorleoneCS

I never claimed it was skill to have the armor...I'm saying that it took skill to figure out ways to make the money and get the materials for it. There's a big difference. And yes at one point if you had obsidian armor people did look at you differently.

There was a lot more to getting the armor then farming. Then again you signed up for guru April 2008 so you've lost all credibility with me.

Please, there might of been some people that thought differently, but that was merely because they thought it would give you a huge e-penis.

Then again you signed up for guru April 2008 so you've lost all credibility with me.
Sir, you're now an idiot. I can easily tell from that ignorant statement that you give credibility by post count, date, and what kind of gear someone has equipped. I played Guild Wars for almost three years, you really don't know me very well. You're angered because you had something rare then the price dropped and to make it simple... you + obsidian armor + ecto/shard value dropping = QQ. You're a fool that thinks it's all about what your wearing or what's worth the most. You copied a build from Wiki wow. I'll give you credit if you did every single UW/FoW run with a group and got the ectoplasm and shards that way, but let's face it. There's no way to prove that or that you used Ursanway the whole time.

If skill is reading or communicating with other players, then I fear what a challenge is to you.

ManMadeGod · Jun 18, 2008, 03:31 AM // 03:31

Permanent Shadow Form Solo farming Mindblade Spectre (which has almost the highest ecto drop rate, and they spam 3->6->9...)

This is imba and already damaged the game.
People who invested in ectos got big hit.

Anet, plz do something before the last valuable material turns into dust.

DonCorleoneCS · Jun 18, 2008, 03:37 AM // 03:37

I like how you know how I judge people. It's pretty nice how you completely missed the entire point of everything I've said also. Fail troll is fail.

Honestly if I cared about post count so much why is mine so low? Don't care much about someone's uber gear either...I own what I like not what's cool and not what's super expensive.

I haven't lost anything in the prices dropping and I won't, I have a much better idea on how to manage what I have.

I've denounced ursan and wiki builds since I could remember and will continue to do so.

People like you shouldn't be allowed to post on forums when you have absolutely nothing positive to contribute or helpful to say. Anyway I'm done feeding you troll. Go crawl back under your bridge and die.

FoxBat · Jun 18, 2008, 03:41 AM // 03:41

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

If ectos started dropping from Charr in post searing Ascalon in NM, then yes, ectos would drop in price. Until that day, they will fluctuate here and there, but they are not going to go up or down by more than 1.5-2k ea.

I'd say 3k is pretty different from 5.

The price floor for ectos is in part the UW entry fee/time vs profit for your average farmer. At 1-2 ectos per run, that's a little under 5k. At 4-8 ectos, it's going to be much lower.

Thizzle · Jun 18, 2008, 03:45 AM // 03:45

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Originally Posted by DonCorleoneCS

I like how you know how I judge people. It's pretty nice how you completely missed the entire point of everything I've said also. Fail troll is fail.

Honestly if I cared about post count so much why is mine so low? Don't care much about someone's uber gear either...I own what I like not what's cool and not what's super expensive.

I haven't lost anything in the prices dropping and I won't, I have a much better idea on how to manage what I have.

I've denounced ursan and wiki builds since I could remember and will continue to do so.

People like you shouldn't be allowed to post on forums when you have absolutely nothing positive to contribute or helpful to say. Anyway I'm done feeding you troll. Go crawl back under your bridge and die.

If I'm crawling under a bridge then you best come with me. You even posted about how hard you worked to get that armor and even said players will look at you differently which means you must have some interest in what type of gear your wearing and not what you actually want. Then you come back and say you have no interest in what gear your wearing, someone is contradicting their own statement.

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It took me a good 4 months to save up for my armor well over a year and a half ago....it was an accomplishment that I was proud of. It's lost its prestige.

That look familiar? You really care about what armor you have and what people think of the armor your wearing, which is why my statement is totally true. You call it trolling because I'm right and your scared that your incorrect. That's how it seems to me, but who knows.

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Originally Posted by ManMadeGod

OMG, I am a pvp player. I just tell the truth.
Soloing is nothing new, but perma sf is new and imba.
Watch your caps.

The caps were to give you the idea that I was using a huge amount of sarcasm because your like a lot of people complaining about shadow form.

ManMadeGod · Jun 18, 2008, 03:45 AM // 03:45

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Originally Posted by Thizzle

OMG PLZ ANET STOPZ THEM FARMERS FROM GETTING MAH INVESTMENTS MY E-PENS IS SHRINKING BY DUH SECOND.

Soloing is nothing new.

I am a pvp player. I just tell the truth.
Soloing is nothing new, but perma sf is new and imba.
Watch your caps.

Neo Nugget · Jun 18, 2008, 03:53 AM // 03:53

4.3k at trader right now.

This is getting interesting

*see sig for a screenie*

lorph · Jun 18, 2008, 04:08 AM // 04:08

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Ectos and shards have price floors. There is some form of basic economy within Guild Wars. So, they prices are going to go up and down. Ectos and shards are not going to suddenly skyrocket or drop through the floor because of minor changes in the economy. If ectos started dropping from Charr in post searing Ascalon in NM, then yes, ectos would drop in price. Until that day, they will fluctuate here and there, but they are not going to go up or down by more than 1.5-2k ea. Freak out threads are either completely thoughtless or scare tactics in order to sell off/buy up your own supply. This is so silly.

Of course ectos have a price floor. I don't expect them to go below the current price of obby shards (2k) since they are so easy to farm now.

2k a piece is a 60% drop in value from 5k. So if you had 1 million in ectos, you would lose 600,000 gold from this. Is worrying about this silly? I think not.